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I need a scholarship or a grant.......can I have one. I have always wanted to finish my education.....it is never to late. If Obama gets in ....Will I have a chance or am I like trapped in the middle again like it has been all of my life.......not black and not white...................Ohhhhhhhh what is a brown gurl supposed to do???????? shhhhhhhh. hummmmm. tears

I am going to write those grant proposals and I will let everyone know what happens...........so we will see for the proof is in the PUDIN.....VERTHA??

Larry, that was 23 years ago....Michelle was a different person...she was young, impressionable...not who she is today...she changed, she has surrounded herself with new and different role models...she holds an ordinary, everyday job just like any American...she is no different than any of us.........RIGHT!

If Senator Obama travels to Maine with his wife and children and he lights one up in his Limo, will he be stopped and cited/warned under Maine's new anti-smoking law that goes into effect at midnight tonight

Ya right, JD.. amazing how the press has not done it's job.. but we don't look forward to that happening either.. charges of racialism will surface, if anybody dare talk about those two and their background.. we know quite abit all ready though.. we still have Rev. Wright..

Larry..... I have to agree with you ... I do not hate anyone... even Rev. Wright..... he is just messed up in the head. I know what he feels... I just never took it that far. I truly to do not want to be put into a dogmaic life again......never again. NEVER!!! I have compassion. I am not dogmatic. If I do not believe in abortion it is not because I am religious. It is because I love those babies....LOVE THEM. It is not because it is wrong or right. It is because I just want them to live. Everyone is just too caught up with everything. Tell them, Larry. I do not want to be in a world of Islam. I will kill my self. Not because it is not Christian. Because it is control and painful. But nothing will ever stop me from loving my God....Even if it did take over... You get it. This whole world is messed up. Everyone hating on everyone. I am selfish......I want to keep my freedom. It is bad enough that the nuns and priests messed my head up .... but I am coming out. Doesn't everyone on here just want to be happy. Then listen to Larry. mmmmmm

Cute, Larry. You give the Snopes link, but publish a completely different article under it.

Here's what Snopes says about the thesis:

As for the content of the thesis, the Daily Princetonian summarized it thusly:
Obama, who concentrated in sociology and received a certificate in African-American studies, examined how the attitudes of black alumni have changed over the course of their time at the University. "Will they become more or less motivated to benefit the Black community?" Obama wrote in her thesis.

After surveying 89 black graduates, Obama concluded that attending the University as an undergraduate decreased the extent to which black alumni identified with the black community as a whole.

Obama drew on her personal experiences as an example.

"As I enter my final year at Princeton, I find myself striving for many of the same goals as my White classmates — acceptance to a prestigious graduate school or a high-paying position in a successful corporation," she wrote, citing the University’s conservative values as a likely cause.

"Predominately White universities like Princeton are socially and academically designed to cater to the needs of the White students comprising the bulk of their enrollments," she said, noting the small size of the African-American studies department and that there were only five black tenured professors at the University across all departments.

Obama studied the attitudes of black Princeton alumni to determine what effect their time at Princeton had on their identification with the black community. "My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my 'Blackness' than ever before," she wrote in her introduction. "I have found that at Princeton no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my White professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don't belong."

Much scrutiny and discussion has been focused on a single phrase contained within the thesis, the statement that "blacks must join in solidarity to combat a white oppressor." This phrase has repeatedly been quoted out of context and presented as if it reflected Michelle Obama's own philosophy, but in its full context it is clearly her speculation about what she thought some of the respondents she surveyed for her thesis (i.e., students who had attended Princeton in earlier years) might have been feeling:

"As discussed earlier, most respondents were attending Princeton during the 70's, at a time when the Black Power Movement was still influencing the attitudes of many Blacks.

"It is possible that Black individuals either chose to or felt pressure to come together with other Blacks on campus because of the belief that Blacks must join in solidarity to combat a White oppressor. As the few blacks in a white environment it is understandable that respondents might have felt a need to look out for one another."

Tell me Garrett, the article is false? Something wrong with it? Pleae explain..

Lots of things. Such as assuming anything about her current attitudes on the basis of a college thesis.

"Michelle Obama does not look into a crowd of Obama supporters and see
Americans. She sees black people and white people eternally conflicted
with one another."

Please.

Oh, here's another good one.

"'There was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the black community, I am obligated to this community and will utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit the black community first and foremost.'"

That's not what she wrote. http://www.scribd.com/doc/2305083/PrincetonEducated-Blacks-and-the-Black-Community

"Earlier in my college career, there was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the Black community I was somehow obligated to this community and would utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit this community first and foremost. ...as I enter my final year at Princeton, I find myself striving for many of the same goals as my White classmates — acceptance to a prestigious graduate or professional school or a high paying position in a successful corporation. Thus, my goals after Princeton are not as clear as before."

"In her senior thesis at Princeton , Michele Obama, the wife of Barack Obama
stated that America was a nation founded on 'crime and hatred'.
Moreover, she stated that whites in America were 'ineradicably racist'. "

Searching the ScribD link above for "hate" or "hatr" brings up 0 results. Searching for "racis" brings up 2 results -- both of which are in the title of one of her references, "Race and Racism", by Pierre van den Berghe.

Ok, that's two outright lies. Would you like me to keep going?

Garrett, by all means keep going.......see that is your freedom....do it now while you can.....

I can tell you some stuff........that would put the points on Larry's side but I would be accused of stuff and they are facts..........but I know and that is all that matters for now

It is strongly recommended not 'assuming' anything. Read, consider, and make your own informed decisions. People 'assumed' the Warren Commission report was accurate. It was not. People 'assumed' the Federal Government would never conduct biochemical experiments on the general populace. But it did, by the score. People 'assumed' the world was once flat, etc.

Great disclaimer from a website. This goes for anything including Snopes.

Kitten: "do it now while you can....."

Are you implying that you expect it to change if McCain/Palin is elected?

"I can tell you some stuff........that would put the points on Larry's side but I would be accused of stuff and they are facts"

Oh, by all means, provide information. Just make sure you can back it up. If you can't back it up, it's not facts, it's innuendo.

Tell me Garrett...."Oh, by all means, provide information. Just make sure you can back it up. If you can't back it up, it's not facts, it's innuendo."

The Daily Kos published a huge amount of traffic saying that Trig Palin was not the son of Sarah Palin but the grandson....there were no facts to back this up...it was just put our there as fact.

Was the Daily Kos right or wrong to publish this innuendo as fact and why was it right or wrong to publish it.

They were wrong to publish innuendo as fact. Especially that kind of innuendo. It's disgusting.

And incidentally, DailyKos _didn't_ publish a huge amount of traffic. :-)

Story + diary search for "Trig grandson": 3 hits. And the very first diary is tagged "Troll" and "DELETE THIS DIARY". http://www.dailykos.com/search?offset=0&old_count=30&string=trig+grandson&type=both&sortby=relevance&search=Search&count=30&wayback=20160&wayfront=0

Comment search for _Trig grandson_: 21 hits. http://www.dailykos.com/search?offset=0&old_count=30&string=trig+grandson&type=comment&sortby=relevance&search=Search&count=30&wayback=20160&wayfront=0

Sample of the 21: "What were you right about?

That Governor Palin's son Trig is really her grandson?

That was utter horseshit.

Bristol Palin being pregnant is none of your goddamned business.

You are a scumbag and deserve no thanks."

Wouldn't it be nice if they retracted the story.

It would be nice if the diarist retracted the story, but as it wasn't published by Daily Kos, Daily Kos can't retract it.

Then they can print a correction....just like any reputable organization would.

The Daily Kos is not a 'reputable' organization JD, as you well know..they are scum of the earth..the New York Times isn't too far behind..

JD, asking "Daily Kos" to print a retraction of a diary there would be like asking OurStory to print a retraction of one of my comments to a post of Larry's. It don't work 'ike 'at, de-ah....

The thing is Garrett...they put it out there...they allowed it...they benefited from it...they need to state publically with at least a correction or the removal of the offending and FALSE posting.

Oh, you mean like the "Not exactlys" that Larry's been posting, despite my repeatedly responding showing that some of them were way off base?

Or the post that completely made up material that was alleged to be in Michelle Obama's dissertation, which was easily disproved by actually looking it up online to see what it said?

No Garrett...more like Dan Rather and the famous letter in the 2004 campaign...more like attacking, smearing, mud raking and attempting to use a 17 year old as a way of getting to the candidate.

Why?

JD, when you call for OurStory to retract Larry's lies, it will make sense for you to call for Daily Kos to retract a diarist's insinuations.

You stop picking on Larry, Garrett..

*starts singing an old Purdue commercial*

LOL -- should have known YouTube would have it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyXHRztvsBY

Larry, any time you want to come over to http://blog.donnael.com/category/politics/ and pick on _me_, you're more than welcome. :-)

Garrett....I guess that it is OK with you to attack and smear a 17 year old girl then. I hope you never have to experience it first hand with your young family. But if you do, think back to these post and remember that it is OK because it is just words.

JD, you excel at putting words in people's mouths, don't you? How do we get from "Daily Kos didn't say it, so they can't retract it" to "it's ok to smear 17-year-old girls"?

Oh, and speaking of smearing pregnant teens...
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http://www.ajc.com/printedition/content/printedition/2008/09/03/tucked.html

“Now most teens are pinheads in some ways. But here the blame falls primarily on the parents of the girl, who obviously have little control over her... Look at the way she behaves,” O’Reilly declared.

When a caller to Rush Limbaugh’s radio show asked about [the girl’s] parents, Limbaugh also rushed to blame them.

Caller: Would you tend to think that a family in this position, though, wouldn’t you think that there would be a more watchful eye as a parent to be watching over these kids so this doesn’t happen to them?

Limbaugh: I would certainly hope so, but it’s long past time for this to happen. The parents here are the culprits!

Lord........what was all that about Garrett. You can not blame parents for teen pregnancy........she is a woman, but by law she is still a child and if that is the case, hope the father is not one year older than her......but I do not believe that Palin would go there........Palin in a very honest woman.....she does not hide her dirty laundry like most ppl. I am that way too, I know where she is coming from.......It is life. PPl will be PPl and teens get pregnant all of the time but most of them are making a trip down to the abortion clinic.....which will not happen with Palins daughter........maybe this will be a begining of the first step setting this example: Not to murder a unborn child!!

Today something happened that I would have never thought would ever happen.....I have a very good friend that is Black African American, and he is well schooled, he has a his MBA and another degree in physics.....he is for Obama.......OK fine..... he gave me a ride to the bank today because I had to go and come quickly so to pack for my trip to So. Cal........my mother suffered a severe strock so I have been in alot of grief........

We were coming back and he was not in the greatest mood but began to ask me about my second husband who attempted to murder me.......I have written about this on Larry's threads before........So my friend asked me,today, "so Kitten was your second husband a White Saprimsis and I said,"yes, Arian Nation but he was very young when he joined .... He said how do you know that he was not lying,"I said,"believe me I know plus he had a swastica on his arm....and he said,"What? And you married the guy??!!!! What is wrong with you, Kitten."!!!!! I said," I did not think alot about it but it did bother me a bit and he promised he was going to tatoo over it, but never did." My friend became sooooooo angry at me as if I was the Arian Nation member, like I had not been beaten up enough, literally. We all make mistakes and that was a big mistake........and I paid for it almost with my life. But now I am judged by my friend. Sooooooo wrong. I am not prejudice at all ..... I am a Latina...... and my second husband hated Latino's and Latina's that is the main reason we are not together anymore and also he beat me an inch from death.........I regret this choice I made and my second husband and I did not have the same views or beliefs. It hurt so much.......for in the begining ... I loved him......my friend said to me, "shame on you, Kitten for falling in love with someone from the Arian Nation white suprimises..........I do not think I want to talk with my friend anymore...... he killed something inside of me for him...... I can not trust him anymore..... for he accused me of something that was sooooooo false. I know the hate on both sides........white vs. black ........The hate from the haters is the same.....black against white and white against black, brown, Jews and more.......HATE is horrible. Here I was in so much grief concerning my mother and he starts picking on me.....YUK!!!! He looked at me with such HATE....it scared me....

Palin doesn't hide her dirty laundry?

Please tell me you're kidding.

No I am not kidding.......Garrett. She is as honest as she can be. Maybe not as honest as she would want to be.........but she is not a snob eighter......

If that's as honest as she can be, that's pretty damned sad.

She didn't admit she had a pregnant unwed teenage daughter until the Enquirer told her they were about to break the story. http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/09/palin-daughters-babydaddy-some-dude-named-levi-reports-enqui.php

She claims she was against the "Bridge to Nowhere", but when she campaigned for governor, she supported the bridge. http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed7/idUSN3125537020080901

She claims to be against earmarks, when she was cheering them on. http://www.washingtonindependent.com/4346/palin-on-earmarks-we-did-well

Her husband was a member of the secessionist Alaska Independence Party for 7 years, and she videotaped a greeting for their most recent convention. http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-aip3-2008sep03,0,6399468.story

And Michelle attend a UCC church which was lead by a racist pastor that called the USA the "US of KKK A" and "goddam america" among other things.

Garrett I do not put words in anyones mouth, but when you make a arguement you better be prepared for people to take issue with it. That's is what I did.

When you defend the Daily Kos for not publishing a correction, you are, by association agreeing that what they do is OK.

Um, no, he didn't call the USA the "goddam america". You don't put words in anyone's mouth? That's a laugh -- you just told me I wanted to forget 9/11 happened.

AND HOW CAN YOU PUBLISH A CORRECTION FOR SOMETHING YOU DIDN'T SAY IN THE FIRST PLACE??????

Should I complain about Larry not publishing corrections for your errors?

Garrett.....I am going to say, "Yes," Dr Rev. Wright is a very angry man and he is a racist........he would tell you that himself. Many reasons justfied, but many reason for it not to be justified at all........Rage.........I know it well, and he had rage for sure.........A racist is a racist.....rage is rage.....reasons for it...... = understanding but it still IS what it IS.....I know that I am not a racist.....and never have been in my life time. But Yes, I have experienced rage, for just cause, still does not make it right......

Kitten

I am in the bus listening to all racist PPL but mostly black calling out names about whites and jigadening with crime bull dog language like they want to kill a white person....have to see it to believe it.....they are ready..I witnessed this all of the time.....and all the whiltes, latinos, Asians and others are just afraid of them trying not to look at them........I do, right through my sunglasses........I mad dog them back.....they are Punks ..Ya you think, they are the ones ready to do it to it.......if you know what I mean......Crazy racist son's of bitches.......but if a white person talked like that in public scaring everyone that would be handled differently.....Right?

Larry...... My mama passed away today......I miss her so. I flew to So. Cal this week to be with her......The hospital gave me a cote to sleep next to her my full stay there, my request to comfort her......this was the most enduring time for me and my mother......

Kitten With Love

Kitten, I'm so sorry for your loss of your mom..wishing you the very best..

:) Love you Larry

Wow!! I must admit, I did not see most of these racial attacks on whites by The Good Rev. before I watched this. I can't believe that this is the person that Obama protected at first and then denounced later, when he saw this shit on T.V. And to think Obama took his children to this idiots so-called church to hear him speak like this. In my book, Obama must be a racist also or else he would have left this bigot's ministery years ago. That's my take on this matter.

How dare he curse America.....who does he think he is......."a poor black man who is run by white people," what the hell is that shit.......My grandmother was robbed and her land was taken away in California by the Euro invastion but you do not see me yelling curses on the takers of my family's land.....this is just life....it has happened to every race....why does Rev. Wright single out his ppl like they are the only ones who have been put through slavery or rubbed of wnat was theirs...........Move on Mr. Write or I will ask you to pay back to the Iseralites for what Pharow did and took.........lets go back ... yes how far is how far enough.....it is the world. Sorry, but Dr. Write is a very angry man who wants his way and who is carrismatic, and who knows how to talk to angry black ppl.........I hear the latino's yelling the same way.....in the City of San Francisico......they have the right to protest but they only make fools of them selves...... I tell them that no one is listiening to them and stop it ..... lay back and just abide by the law.......get their documentations and move on......no short cuts, sorry.!!!!!! I am feeling so much pain for everyone.....but how about Americans....who wait in line for 24 hours to be seen by a doctor while refugees have all the benifits .... Asians and Russians big time....there it is.... I said it.....ya and they brag how much money they brought with them and still collect from the government......while poor Americans have been put in back of the line......This is bullshit........

you have got that right Ron........if my pastor talked like that ... I would be out of there....in fact that is why I do not go to church anymore because of bias opinions.....I love them but I can not condon that...........

Who in the heck wants Obama anyway.......Lord have Mercy .... this man is a empty suit. He is a air talking debater.....no sence at all. He attends a church for 20 years than denounces his pastor like it was new news to him......OMG, listen to the sence....the common sence.....if the plan sence makes sence why try to make any other sence of it.......It is what it is ....Racisum. Shame on you Dr. Write and I would say that to your face.......I am not a racist.... I love you. But you are a racist and a very hardened heart of a man............tender heartedness goes a long way, Dr Wright. And Obama .... you have your feet on both side the fence......

Garrett......Garrett....I put words into Rev. Wrights mouth?????? I do not think so.

You have got that right, Larry......

Hey Larry, JD and Kitten, We will prevail. When I posted the above, I thought for sure someone would jump on it and defend The Empty Suit. Guess I was wrong. When liberals realize they don't have a leg to stand on, they bury their head in the sand like an ostrich and hope nobody notices. What I see is a man that agreed whole heartedly with his Racist Minister until he was brought to task for it.

Ain't that the truth, Ron.....Obama is a trater to his own faith and pastor..... and ppl. He needs just to stick to his community and do works for The Lord. He is not President Material at all.......OH Lord forbid. The dems do have some good points at times but no no no no NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Not OBama!!!!!! NO

We will prevail, my buddy's :)

Obama is a traitor to the Christian faith? In what way, Kitten?

And Ron, what evidence do you have that Obama actually agreed with everything his minister said? My priest once sermonized that Protestantism was evil -- and I regret to this day that I didn't stand up and walk out right then.

Hi Garrett,
How's everything? Fine I hope. The only evidence I have is pretty slim, now that I think about it. Probably the fact that Obama kept subjecting his children to this IDIOTS tirades against our Country is why I'm so appalled with him.

Again, what evidence do you have that the children were there? When I went to St. Bridget's in Seattle, my girls went to "Church School" from the beginning of the readings to after the end of the sermon.

However, it's not necessarily an issue that the children were "subjected to tirades". I'm a firm believer in the concept that you can't properly understand the issues just listening to one side. My faith was partially formed by reading books such as "Stranger in a Strange Land" and "The Last Temptation of Christ" -- not because the books reinforced the lessons from church, but that by holding them up against what my faith taught, it gave me a deeper understanding of that faith.

And "fine" is a relative term, but you don't need me whining about money here. :-)

I reach across and try to to be civil and you throw this crap "Fine" in my face. Larry, where do you get em?

Hey everybody, look at it this way. Obama had his two little girls baptized by the racist minister. And admits that he was a member of this church for 20 years. Then all of a sudden, he never heard those words blabbed by Wright..give me a break, does he think we are stupid? I think the truth of the matter is this: He fully agreed with what the racist minister was preaching, but then when things get too warm he runs out..Furthermore, tries to disown his long time pastor..I don't buy his crap, and I don't think America does either..by right, I'm hoping that we start hearing of Rev. Wrights comments, they are so juicy, and really reflect much of the feelings by many in this country. Leta-rip..

*sigh* Ron, I could have said I'm days from losing my car, which I haven't been able to drive for months thanks to $700 worth of shot front bearings, and that I'm not taking my thyroid and BP meds at the moment because I owe the pharmacy at work $200+ already and that I'm $125 short for this month's rent, but as I said, you don't need to listen to me whine.

So. I'm fine.

Ok?

Yea, I guess so:)

Garrett..... calm down sweetie..... it will be OK... if I can help you I will. Larry is right Obama did abandon his pastor... after 20 years..... but he is so such a hipocrite..... can not you see this..... Ron is just trying to be just.... and handle this with kit gloves......We are here for you........